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Choc,

Have you said this to her? "I guess I'm not important to you."




Yes, altho I don't CONTINUALLY say it, as she has said that it only puts MORE "pressure" on her. She got offended and angry, pointing out all the things that she does do for me, and saying "If I didn't love you, would I still be here?" I tried pointing out the difference between love/affection and mere devoted LOYALTY, at least from my perspective, but I guess I got nowhere.

I guess I keep coming back to the exact same circle-logic: everyone here says "say this, and do that," and a few of us are "But I HAVE said that, and I DO do that ... she knows EXACTLY how I feel and where I stand ... and it never gets any better ... and it hurts to stay in that place."

So we go the celibate route, where the day-to-day is easier.

Chick$[censored], I know, but it's where I am.

Choc.