Thanks geneva, A lot of points to cover: Posting - I'd like WAWS forum entitled "Running on Empty II." How do I get this thread over to the new one? D15 email - sure does have email and I email her a few times a week. It's usually only a one way email though. Sometimes I get a few word response. Work - Either W moves here and we rent or I move there. But if I move there much collapses. First I don't have a job there and the house goes up for sale. But it gets worse D15 would have to move out of her HS and that's a move W just won't consider now. As for the Why's here's a few: 1. Why after busting my butt to install over $100,000 worth of landscaping improvements do I get "people who do it theirself are vain?" 2. Why after complaining I'm not home and she has to take care of things does W tell me don't come home to care for the car repair? 3. Why after putting my wedding ring back on on my own volition 2 years ago does W compain that I didn't put it back on 12 years ago? I originally took it off as a safety hazard. 4. Why does W rlive the alledged affair of 12 years ago and when I ask to air it out even with the C she refuses. She just uses it one-on-one with me. That's all for now. Thanks for all the insight!