MrsNOP, Yep, and the darn thing won't list among my favorites. I've done the same to others and they list. Maybe its an omen? Maybe I'm pushing on a wet noodle and this marriage is not to be saved. Wowas me I'm doomed! Now, tell me MrsNOP. It seems a wee bit rare that both a H & W would post on this site. From what I read, those who try to save a M are here and those trying to wreck it are not. But, that's not the case for you and NOPKins. Please explain. One of the challenges I face is not changing, that's the easy part. Rather, since the W seemingly is cacooned in her perception of the past (not my analysis but C's analysis) I'm not making any headway in R other than say a moratorium on discussing the D and the D is on open extension. Phone calls are not returned (maybe one every two weeks) and maybe one in three emails (one a week) with most of the questions not answered.Will this dog hunt? TAGIII