This is an interesting discussion (as usual). Regarding having the body of a 12-year old boy-- Back in 1988 I went to school to become a massage therapist. I didn't stick with it, because my other work was easier and more lucrative, but the training was immensely valuable to me personally. One of my classmates (who is still a massage therapist) was sexually molested by her father (I don't know to what extent, but I think it was rather extensive) and eventually her marriage broke up because of her aversion to sex. During one of our classes, we stood in front of the class in our undies and our teacher and classmates analyzed our bodies, how we walked, etc. (It sounds creepy, but really it was okay. The class was small and we became very close and safe with each other.) One of the remarks the teacher made about this woman was that her upper body was very undeveloped. She had very small breasts, very narrow shoulders, and in fact, I believe he actually said, "she has the upper body of a 12-year old boy." It was as if her body has gotten stuck in an unformed, undefined, pre-adolescent place. Before her marriage to her husband (which broke up) she had had a very intense intimate relationship with a woman. She told me one time that she knew no relationship could ever be as intense as that one was. Anyway, the remark about body shape prompted this memory. Not sure if/how it relates to the thread.