Lillieperl wrote {{it strikes at your very identity. It's not something you just blow off or "get over." It requires real grieving and mourning}}

Lillieperl and all. I agree with you 100%. Not having your own child can be heartbreaking. Your comment about the couple that could afford the in vitro and got PG twice and the other couple that could not afford in vitro or what ever she chose, could not get PG once. Just goes to show you how inequitable life is.

{{ ..... long....fertility treatments....make it extremely difficult to go on (or go back) to ordinary, loving, casual, spontaneous sex.}}

I can see it too, Lillieperl. It is so sad that, as happened to your less rich friend, Caro might avoid some unintended consequences.
{{The whole experience drove a wedge between them. She is now living on her own and hopes to be able to avoid a divorce. They are trying to rebuild their R.}}

Something like you posted above is what I was tkinking about when I made my comments about Caro's position in life.

Sometimes I try to be supportive in a way that is too-mater-of-fact. My W presents me with many small problems weekly. To her they are dilemmas. I give her my best answer eventhough not everything is perfect in her opinion.

I liked Greeneyedlass post. Honest questions. I hoped it helped Caro some. If I were Caro I would find the KY or Astroglide and do something. That is up to her.

OG Lou. Doing the best that I can for now.