2ndChances5 I look at women as if trey were going to be long term friends. I generally do not think about women in short term relationship or how they might meet some tempoary need I have.

If I seem judgemental of women in some of the situations, replace the word man where the word woman is and think you are the woman observing this behavior.

Does it help you if I say I was never into casual sex in less than commited relationships where one of us were thinking "maybe marriage."
I was assuming JJ was flirting with her H and wanted him to have sex with her. So I replyed thinking along those lines. Maybe i gave anwsers she was not looking for.

It took me a while to realise some women liked sex as much as guys do. All I ever heard till way after I was married was guys were crazy about sex and women only did it to please her man or to have children. Guys wanted one night stands, women wanted a marriage and did what was necessary to catch a guy and get him to marry her, sort of a pay check.

One class in college (1990) dealing with dating, the older women compared notes with the younger girls. The girls said they would have sex with the guys "to do them before the guys did us". A peremptive strike so to speak. The older women did not see the girls logic. After the women and girls hashed things out, the girls said the would not consider doing what they had done 2 years ago in the future.

Supposedly it is different now. More women like sex. More women are independent and earn a good wage. Some women do not want a H or children. More women are less inhibited than in the 50/60's. Just think the Brady Bunch and compare it with the Osbornes. I had my nose to the grind stone too long (work and responsibilities are important) and still have some of those 50/60 values. I am changing some but still have some boundaries that I choose not to change for now.

{{Like trading sex for vaccuuming? This does not compute for me.... }}
2ndChances5 you would have to copy the situation for me to respond correctly. Probally relates to women using sexual favors to manipulate a male, not about attraction between the couple. And what is {LTR material}. 2ndChances5 it helps me to know how old and gender a poster is. I guess I could read your post to see how what I write and how it relates to your situation.

Just trying to let the HD women with LD H's see how one guy thinks in some situations. OG Lou.