Were you riding in the car with me and my H last night. I swear he was saying pretty much what you just said but in his own way.
Question - I'm not familiar with your situation. Who needed to develop the "full frontal attack" in your relationship and how did you achieve that?
How do you propose that HP help her H "get it?" My H is right there with hers although we aren't ML regularly yet. I will write about our current sitch in my thread.
Karen1
PS HP - LOVE the toilet story. Sounds a lot like my life.