Whew - I know the feeling of the "skin craving" and my H is also getting a F in my LL. He has even said that he feels "like a little boy" not getting things right. AND he is a consultant who specializes in communication, management and teambuilding training. He even talks about how "incentives" at work must match the things the employee values. Honey - I think I will join you in that beer you mentioned in your thread!