HP wrote {{ Or maybe I am just rambling and full of crapola. }}

No HP, your thinking is good. HairDog and a few of us other less than lucky guys can learn from a woman how to present our expetations of a M without sounding mean, controling, or just pigs. We also have to realise that some spouses will never "get it" even if we tell them the preverbial 100 times.

I am trying to be assertive with my W and to lessen the collateral damage when I persent my feelings and desires to her.

Back to the reguarally scheduled forum. Keep it up, you are doing well!

OG Lou the late bloomer.