Good for you! You give me hope that my new resolve with H will pay off. The major part of that resolve involves being willing to directly state the impact of his behaviors. I will add details on my own thread but I flat out asked him to keep an "appointment" with me last night although I have yet to have him agree to a schedule. The results were "interesting." We did ML, it was different than the usual because I didn't allow the two rubs here, two rubs there, go at it to O and be done plan. Your success will help me perservere because I have a feeling it will be tough going.