CeMar wrote << I have to agree with Dr. Laura. It is extremely hard to motivate a LD women >>

Well CeMar if you are letting Dr Laura be your wizzard you have to let Dr Phill be your wizzars too. He said everone responds to their currency which means people can be persuaded if you find what is valuable to them.

My W use to have desire. That was in 1981. Now her currency is a foot or back rub, spending a lot of time together, spooning for a couple of nights, and then maybe I get laid.

Why do I put up with that? Well, after 10+ years of me feeling rejected and disapointed when trying to push a rope across the street so to speak, we came to the conclusion that if I meet her needs (back and foot rubs and the rest) she will try to meet some of my needs.
Its called working with what you have to work with. When I am in the big "O" stage she smiles sometimes, then I know she is doing what she can. So now I am draging the rope or working with what I have.

<< What can I do that would turn her back into HD? >>
Mrs Nop had a few clues, but you know you can not "MAKE" anyone do anything.

<< Sex without the desire is pointless. >>
CeMar, Desire is the expected thing, but what alternative could you find that you "MIGHT" enjoy without desire. I like Royal Crown cola from a bottle the best, but I enjoy Pepsi and Coke from a bottle and to a lesser extent Pepsi and Coke from a can. I can hear your reply even before I type this out. (If it is not Royal Crown from a bottle, it's just sugar water). My reply is drink Coke from a can until you find RC Cola in a bottle, or was that Nehi grape=(not bottled any more.) Sometimes things just disapear. Anyone see I-pan-na tooth paste and Bucky Beaver lately?

BTW, I read the book too and I was upset to the point of almost no return because I saw what I was missing. W would not read it. Said she did not want to read that "sex crap."

OG Lou Sometimes we want good wine but all we have are lemons. Now let me think. I seem to remember there is something you can do with lemons? Humm?