HP,

I feel your pain... I'll bet all you got last night was frustrated. Only I figured the booby prize would be a whole closet full of unopened "marital aids",LOL . I know in our household with all them rugrats, money does not stay around long enough to accumulate in closets.

FWIW, I've tried "dirty talk" w/ W, and she also puts the kabosh on it. Difference here is she doesn't get all lovey dovey at all. There are no shows of affection unless I initiate. From what I know of her upbringing, there was no affection there either, so perhaps it is a case of what you grew up with. SHe also won't admit to having any twinges of physical desire except as a result of direct stimulation

Thanks for the reference to C. West. I must have somehow missed when you last posted it. I'll wait to see how Mrs GGB feels after the WWME weekend before bringing up any more seminars. She's still balking, although she's committed to going. I'll be sure to let you know how the ME weekend goes.

--GGB, to whom a little lovey dovey from Mrs GGB would go a long way toward filling his love tank even if LM was involved.