No, there's no joint counseling going on... just my personal C (who is within walking distance to where I work). W has not made efforts (that I know of) to find a C for herself, nor has she agreed to see a marriage C with me - and I have suggested it twice this year. I'm not going to give up just yet, and if you've read my own thread, you can tell that I'm doing stupid things just to get a reaction, perhaps because I think I can wake my W up and make her want to see a C. Guess that's the wrong way to go about things. Oops. I plead temporary insanity.