Speaking of 3rd parties, I decided today to call up my old counselor and see if she had any recommendations of people to send my W to, and ways I could try to convince her to go. If you recall, my W said she was "on the edge" emotionally, but didn't have the time to seek counseling. I guess I feel like this was about as close to a cry for help I'm going to hear from her. I'm sure she'll get all pissy with me about this, but I look at it as tough love. She needs help, I can't give it to her, but maybe a trained counselor can guide her.