Quote: What's with this ice queen persona she wears? Is she really that unfeeling and non-understanding about making love and what it entails?
All I can gather is that she seems to think there is some sort of "higher" connection with your partner, that doesn't require ML, and that we should aspire to reach, although she hasn't mentioned this lately, I must add.
Quote: I am sorry, HD. Maybe she was just trying to "win" the debate without actually thinking about her true feelings. As a lawyer she probably knows how to defend a client who she finds morally repellent. She might feel that the "go to a prostitute" ploy helps her argument and yet still really detest the idea of you actually doing it.
HD, MM,
This argument that HD's wife is making is total BS. She feels safe in posing a hypothetical, because HD has flatly stated he would never do that. If he ever took her up on it her reaction would probably be "I want a divorce." Either way, HD loses. HD, what your wife is really doing is mocking your fidelity. It's a very ugly rhetorical turn.
I think the more revealing thing about saying "why don't you just go see a prostitute" coment is that it means Mrs HD thinks sex is merely physical, whereas, to HD (me too), it is much more than just physical - it also has intimate interpersonal and spiritual meaning. She trivializes the act by debasing it.
Quote: This whole prostitution issue is another illustration of the complexity of the problem facing the HDW. Women, even HDW never hire male prostitutes. On the one hand, you could say the reason this is true is because they could always get it for free. I think the real reason a woman would never hire a male prostitute is that women need a sense of male desire in order to be really aroused. If a woman paid for it, she wouldn't be nearly as turned on as if she thought the guy really wanted it. This is also why I don't like having to initiate sex most of the time.
That's why unhappy wives hire male personal trainers and masseurs. They are hired to do one thing, but are frequently available for bonus services.
Regards,
SM
"If we will be quiet and ready enough, we shall find compensation in every disappointment." Henry David Thoreau
Now, now, since you two have been at least semi regular in the "getting some" department and I've been on a very long extended dry spell, I counter that I need the multiples to catch up and get into shape for this challenge.... Please don't deny me what I crave so much.
Oh, and if you want to watch, you would be one of my first choices for the "impartial observer" position.
I will tell you that back in my younger days I did have 12 in one day. I was actually with my W at that time she was just my GF and it was great. I was sore afterwards though. Now-a-days I have no idea how well I could do becuase there has been nothing even near that day.
Yes, this is the truth and a big contributing factor for the D which I am working on. I asked the H if I could even take a discret occassional lover and he would not even consider that idea. Very selfish on his part, I think. His comment was that he has no desire. I asked him what I should do with my desires and he said nothing. Welcome to the world of Passive Agressiveness.....
Personnally, anyone who enters into a marriage and withholds affection and emotions like many of us have experianced is not interested in a marriage but a different situation. I'm done fighting this emotional monster that I cannot do anything about without his cooperation. His refusal to try to work on this marriage sounded it's death knell.
I think in terms of defining and eliminating multiples, we should stick with a sort of distracted interval rule. For instance, this morning I shampooed my hair in between O1 and O2. In between O3 and O4, I folded a load of laundry. It's 11:24 in the morning. I think if Barney was on the BB, he would be ready to admit defeat.
"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" - Mary Oliver
Quote: That's why unhappy wives hire male personal trainers and masseurs. They are hired to do one thing, but are frequently available for bonus services.
Yuck.
"Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life?" - Mary Oliver
Barn would have to observe the actual number of O's first, just to make sure that we were not fibbing.. I think that he may be a vouyer at heart.... He would not just take our word for it.
As much as Barn would hate to admit it, certain women such as ourselves have men at an extreme disadvantage in the "O" department for strength, intensity, sensation, multiplicity, and explosiveness. I really worry about him since he just has that one bullet in his pocket...... JoJo
OK MM you win. In my younger days I could occasionally go 12x in a day, but at the end of it I'd be quite sore and it would be a week before I could go just once again. Age has caught up with me, and I think the limit for me now is maybe 5 or 6x in a day followed by several days to recuperate, although I have little 'hard' evidence to back this up beyond MB'ing in frustration. Recharge time is 15 minutes or so between the first two, and several hours between the last two. This also assumes I had a few days of rest before. The last ones would probably not be all that satisfying to a willing partner either.
