Choc,
I should have added that it worked last night...and might work more often than not...but it is not a surefire win, kwim?

I do feel for you HDH's. I think that women are much more stubborn and resentful in general and that would make it hard to arouse someone.
My H is stubborn if I get persistent. If I keep it light and joking, like I did last night, he responds better.
The problem is that I get sick of keeping it light--sometimes I want him to understand that this is serious biz to me and he needs to step up to the plate.

Oh well he is really being a gigundous idiot today, so I will sign off before I say something really bad about him.