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Poe, in the past that is usually when he would make an effort too - when I said I had had enough of his current behavior. I have no intention of leaving my spouse but I feel like it is a bunch of bull. Why should I get to the point I want nothing to do with him before he will take me for serious?

Do you know how you get a mules attenion, you hit him with a 2x4, well mine was her telling me she was leaving, and had her apartment lined up.

Then I started my seach, but I was too late. Had I discovered this site 6 months ago, I believe I would not be at this site.



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would just like to kiss him like a lover kiss - not a peck on the lips. He had said "I kiss you everyday" and I said that I was talking about a kiss one would give his wife not his daughter.

Right now and since about 10 years ago, my drive has gone down. I have no disire to make out, and the disire for sex can be met every 6-8 weeks. Is the medicine I take or lack to T, I don't know.

As for his family they are the kind that hug and kiss but in my opinion they are not genuine......They are very selfish people and he can at times be like them.

About what I figured


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As for as the counselor being SBT ( looked on the abbreviations to see what you were talking about) I don't know if that is her claim to fame but I went today and I feel it is helping me.

Then you should read up on it at the DB website, cause if you are using the wrong on, then you wasting you time, and even worse be getting bad advice. Questions to ask her, what is her success rate. And when you ask what is the best she hope for you is. If it is not getting marriage working, then walk away.


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As for the teenagers - I asked him to put a TV with a DVD in our room as an excuse to go there and have background noise. He flat out said no.

Wrong tact, you were putting him in a corner, now he has less excuses to not ML.


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As for toys - I couldn't be less interested. Toys (I may be wrong)seem artificial to me and I don't think would be a source of pleasure to me.

Now that just blows my mind, anal is okay but not toys.


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Afterwards I told him that I really missed his kisses and he said "I just don't have the feeling anymore because of the medication". My heart just froze in my chest. I didn't say anything but tears were rolling down my cheeks. I thought, "What is the point?" I can't make him feel what he no longer feels and yet the other side is yelling that he is a selfish b*stard.

See my previous answer, desire way low.

Side note, I am on the dating sex, I don't mention anything about ML or sex, and have yet to find a LD women. I guess they ain't looking. I will be honest, right now as I want is a female roomate, and a parttime lover.



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few heated words over our oldest son's situation.

Read up on JOINT AGREEMENT


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Tuesday is my girls night out to Starbucks with my best friend so I left. I came home and my son and DIL were here. H is acting all honky du ray. I am sure this round is not over.

Its a MARS/VENUS thing, if you are still doing LL stuff, we figure it is safe.


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Oddly enough we get along most of the time - but I really do think it is because I say nothing so it is my own fault that this problem has gone on and yet I know I would literally have to leave him to get him to take notice that I really don't like what is going on. I do my best to meet all of his needs, physically and emotionally and I feel like he is of the opinion "emotions? what emotions?"

From what I know now, I would use SBT princpals, and use face to face, eye to eye contact.

In accordance to the SBT, figure 10 biggest problems, and only concetrate on #1, DO NOT bring up the others.







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