HP, you know better than to make statements like "most men on this board would be happy with willing and enthusiastic wives; the wives coming out of their shell on a regular basis to show DESIRE would be icing, but not the necessary cake." Desire is VERY important. Willing or compliant isn't enough. You may have gotten that impression from the statements about frequency, but it's a mistaken impression. It's just that in some of our cases the frequency is so low that ANYTHING seems like an improvement. I've said many times that my W has to actually be there before I need to worry about her "being there", but that doesn't mean that "being there" isn't important. It's just hard to get worked up about lack of desire or lack of enthusiasm when you're getting no sex at all.
