Ah, but that's not the case here. I'm VERY attentive to her needs. If you've read any of my other threads, you know that I always put her first - always. I do everything I can to set the mood, and she ignores it. I make a tremendous effort to spend quality time with her. I plan getaways. I pack the kids off to Grandma's. I but her flowers. I buy her hockey tickets and a suite at nice hotel to spend the night after the game (SHE likes hockey - not me). If I can get her to cooperate at all, I spend lots of effort on foreplay. Ninety-nine plus percent of the time I perform oral on her until she gets her O before she even touches me. I'm sure that what you describe happens quite a lot - but I can honestly say that it doesn't in my M.