Wildebube, I never said that there weren't REASONS for a woman's change, I only said I could empathize with someone like CeMar that it can make you sad, angry, confused and frustrated.

Speaking for my own situation, I believe that my wife is an honorable woman, and didn't set out to intentionally BECOME low-desire or no-desire, just for some sadistic kick to make me sad. But I AM saying (and I think CeMar is too, but he can speak for himself) that it makes us frustrated when it seems like it's always the MAN who is supposed to change, and when it seems like our wives aren't making more of an effort.

The "oh, that's just the way I am" thing is BULLCHIT when a man says it about never giving a woman flowers, even though he knows that she LOVES to receive them, and it's BULLCHIT when a woman says it about her lack of affection when she knows it is THE most important thing to her husband.

Just my opinion.

Choc.