So if a therapist/ counselor can't help them how do they come out of it? Is it something they just snap out of one day? Also, I have read a lot of other post on here and haven't read too many success stories, a lot of exh/exw talk(that's not success in my opinion cause I choose to stand), in those ex situations was it the LBS that decide not to stand or the MLCer that chose to go ahead with a D?