Welcome,

Sorry you find yourself in this all to familiar sitch. I arrived here back in 2008. This site will give you the support you need. I was reading 2-3 books a week. Check out my book list for ideas on places to make personal improvements.

Everything that works is counter-intuitive. Everything that your natural instincts tell you to do is most likely wrong.....

These are wise words:
Originally Posted by DnJ
The best, fastest way to any possible reconciliation is in the opposite direction. She needs to feel the loss, before she’ll feel something else.


If you are like most of us when we arrived here, you have to make significant changes to your beliefs, behaviors and most important, the way you interact with her.

Go for the low hanging fruit first. Drop all of the non-attractive traits. Start adding attractive traits.
Do not be supplicating. Always be on your purpose. Do not be boring. Accentuate your male traits. Do not be a simp.

Learn as much as you can about seduction. It is an indirect way to attract.

Put your sexual needs on hold. If you do engage with her, she should be pleasantly surprised by your new behavior in bed. New behavior in bed EVERY time from this point forward. Do your research now. It is a lot of work, but worth it. From this point forward, you want her pursuing you for sex, not the other way round.


No more discussions. STFU is your new rule. Every time you speak, you lose. Do not share your thoughts about anything. You use your words with her for two things: 1) Validating her emotional state, 2) build attraction and sexual tension.

Dig down this rabbit hole: "SILENCE IS MENS Strongest Weapon"

If you do decided to speak, the less you say, the better. "Yes." "No." "I am not sure." "I have something important to do." "nothing you need to worry about".

Change the way you sound. Do your research on tonality, infliction etc. Start with "The Charisma Matrix" on youtube.


This is just the tip of the iceberg. It is extremely important for you to get up to speed as fast as possible and expand on every one of the points I have made as well as points others make to you.


Most do not make the changes fast enough or in the right order.


Read through my quotes thread. That will give you a jump start. Take notes. Organize your notes into topics.

At the end of the day, this has nothing to do with her and everything to do with you. You have been given a gift to become the most amazing version of you. Hopefully she notices and is attracted to the new you.


Starting right now, look different, act different, be different...and do not be boring. She thinks she knows you, prove her wrong.


"What is best for my kids is best for me"
Amor Fati
Link to quotes: https://www.divorcebusting.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2879712