DW you are in the thick of it and man, I'm so sorry you and the kids are in this place.

I'm glad you'll be with D18 tomorrow alone in the car. Some of the most honest talks with my son were done in the car.

Don't beat yourself up too much about what happened. Sounds like you were shooting truth darts all over the place. Yes, when you engage you lose, I guess? And you don't need to participate in every fight you're invited to, but sometimes, just sometimes, when you're backed into a corner it's ok to come out swinging the 2x4 of truth. F it and F her. It is what it is. We are human, not automatons and NOT Persian carpets to be walked all over.

Originally Posted by DnJ
[quote=DW17]
I currently feel like I don’t want anything to do with the woman who used to be my sidekick through life. I know that feelings change.

Perfectly normal to feel such. And rather temporary for the woman you promised your life to, and the mother of your children - unless such feelings are reinforced.

I don't see how your feelings, DW, can be temporary when your wife continues to throw her AP in your and your family's face.

Your D18 is not her confidante. Your D18 should not feel uncomfortable in her own home because of her mother's actions.

What here is to like, respect? What here would make any sane person want anything to do with someone so lost to reality and the effect her actions are having on the people she's supposed to love and protect most, her own children?

Sorry ... I guess I'm not DBing ...

But, I will say it again. We each come here to save our marriages.

If we're lucky, we may get a chance to have a new marriage with our old spouse.

But here's the absolute truth:

If we're really lucky, we wind up saving ourselves.


M 20+ T25+
S ~15.5 (BD)
BD 4/6/15
D 12/23/16

"Someone I loved once gave me
A box full of darkness.
It took me years to understand,
That this too, was a gift."
~ Mary Oliver