Funny you should say this Butterfly, I've been scratching a hole in my head wondering the same thing since I saw a post late last night. I kept looking back to try to figure out how we started talking about such far afield topics and making such wild assumptions based on innuendo. I do have to say that Core continues to impress with his intelligent and well written comments. As for that original question and I guess part of the core of the squirrel we are somehow now following...
For the two year's I've constantly heard, "trust the science" or "follow the science". Well unlike more recent scientific findings that are clearly anything but settled, it would certainly seem that DNA science is pretty well settled. Oh sure we constantly are furthering and refining it but at it's basics, one of the simplest things DNA can tell us is if we are male or female. We cannot change that or claim it's not so anymore than we can claim we have 20 fingers or 2 heads when we clearly do not as anyone can see. We can FEEL differently all we want, but apart from some very rare cases, all you need to know is whether you have X and Y chromosomes (making you male) or a pair of X chromosomes which makes you a female. You can try to tell others it's not true or is inaccurate, and you can certainly FEEL it's not accurate but like we've been told, trust the science.
Of course that does not mean anyone should be threatened for their believes or their feelings anymore than we would threaten someone because they believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. It's their God given right to feel how they feel and we should not discount that. However, to try to demand that the rest of us feel the same way is not right and should not stand.
Somehow we have gotten to the point where we actually cannot agree on male and female as Core stated. Evidently in this case we want to ignore the science. Maybe I now see where the vax deniers are getting it from. And no, not even the Covid vaccine can change your DNA!
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Not that it's a debate... but KML... I totally made the same connections. Perhaps that is because I have lived long enough to remember the days when I was told I didn't have the right to be w my dying wife in a hospital or adopt a child because I might spew my "perversion" on them.
Perhaps a level of compassion could be shown here. There is level of struggle and pain that comes with being an LGBTQ+ person. Whatever side you fall on - A little empathy never hurt anyone...
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Show empathy when there's pain. Show grace when warranted. Kindness in the midst of anger. Faith in the face of fear.
I definitely understand that a sensitive conversation how things can be skewed. But Core absolutely did not correlate trans people and pedophiles. There was a comment that Christ doesn’t hate and it was pointed out that Christ does hate demons and people who hurt children. And he didn’t even say pedophiles , he said people who hurt children and we all know that more people hurt children than just pedophiles.
I think everyone does feel personally attacked around sensitive subjects these days. I do agree more and more people are on the defense, which is understandable , but sometimes we do need to step back and breath and listen and understand on both ends.
we can't even agree on what a man and woman are so how is one supposed to know what is allowed?
Originally Posted by Core
Kml I think its conflating this with trans talk and is the one who introduced the concept here.
Core, the obvious interpretation of "we can't even agree on what a man and woman are" is a reference to the existence, coming out, and recognition of trans, asexual, and genderfluid people and related civil rights rules.
(For me, it's not confusing it's incredibly simple--if John/Jane is an adult, they can choose their name and gender identity on their passport, as opposed to it being decided by their birth certificate, with no personal consequences for me except occasionally being confused by if Jane is currently going by "her" or "them".)
For your conjunction, you use "so"--as a result of, therefore, blaming.
Originally Posted by Core
You all pushing these people so far got the LGBs there killed.
Blaming kml, kml's family, and others LIKE ME who support LGBT+ family members and friends for the slaughter of LGBs in Afghanistan is bizarre and offensive. I get you're going through some mental health stuff, and I don't care enough about your personal views to be offended, but wanted to offer my support to other forum members and the LGBT+ community. Slaughtering people because they look or sound different is and always has been evil.
This thread is moving fast. Kml in regards to your last two posts, I mentioned that I no longer cared to share my thoughts, and thats the boundary I set. You may not respect that however I am holding to my word.
DonH, you hit alot of good points and worded well whats going on. I think you really hit on a "feelers perspective" and a "thinkers" perspective. The thread was supposed be be about how dismal OLD is and my face an existential crisis- funny how you pointed out the detraction.
Originally Posted by DonH
Core continues to impress with his intelligent and well written comments.
Coming from you as someone with sincere, well structured and intelligent posts, I appreciate hearing this.
Originally Posted by Valeska19
Not that it's a debate... but KML... I totally made the same connections. Perhaps that is because I have lived long enough to remember the days when I was told I didn't have the right to be w my dying wife in a hospital or adopt a child because I might spew my "perversion" on them.
Perhaps a level of compassion could be shown here. There is level of struggle and pain that comes with being an LGBTQ+ person. Whatever side you fall on - A little empathy never hurt anyone...
Now I may be misinterpreting but are telling me to show compassion or kml? If you are referring to me, I'd welcome you to point out where I was not compassionate or where I was disrespectful to an individual. Now if you are referring to others, yes there were many rude responses and borderline mentally abusive comments towards I.
Ginger1, yes, exactly where my intention was.
[Traveler]P.S. - It's "TOO" not "TO" and "IT'S" not "ITS".[/quote] I am on reddit.
[Traveler]Blaming kml, kml's family, and others LIKE ME who support LGBT+ [/quote] I did over generalize here in my hastiness and am not blaming every lgb in every context for what happened. The people who hold the lion share of the blame are those that committed the atrocities of course. What i am saying is pushing of certain ways isnt welcome everywhere and doing so like in a muslim country will lead to retaliation.
Now, my point in some of my earlier posts is proving my point. My intentions are assumed. I am painted black here. And a few of you "other" me. Am I the bad guy here for being different or holding a different perspective or were not the other comments off the rails and rude. How many of my friends, or family are lgb? Commenters dont know but are quick to assume. Now this is exactly what I am getting at. I am concerned people feeling like half the posters here eventually calling for violence against people different than them and calling it justified because of a perceived slight, or because of an action that was committed by someone else in the past.
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A thought I had today, regarding the saying you are what you eat.
Well, I imagine it can be expanded to "you are what you consume". Consuming meaning any input in to your mind such as reading, media, social media, friends and family; or your body such as food, drugs, air and water; or spiritually from the Bible, mediation, yoga.
Am I or are you consuming too much? The wrong things? Lacking in a consumed nutrient?
Food for thought.
H37, W37 D4, S2 ILYBNILWY 9/19 BD 9/19 EA discovered 10/19 Currently in limbo, no D or S process initiated
Not that it's a debate... but KML... I totally made the same connections. Perhaps that is because I have lived long enough to remember the days when I was told I didn't have the right to be w my dying wife in a hospital or adopt a child because I might spew my "perversion" on them.
Perhaps a level of compassion could be shown here. There is level of struggle and pain that comes with being an LGBTQ+ person. Whatever side you fall on - A little empathy never hurt anyone...
Now I may be misinterpreting but are telling me to show compassion or kml? If you are referring to me, I'd welcome you to point out where I was not compassionate or where I was disrespectful to an individual. Now if you are referring to others, yes there were many rude responses and borderline mentally abusive comments towards I.
Ginger1, yes, exactly where my intention was.
IMHO - it seems like you both triggered each other. Clearly LGBT rights is extremely personal to KML. Clearly you are struggling with the feeling of being an "other".
We can sit here all day long and defend our thoughts and beliefs... OR we can listen. We can seek out to understand one another. THAT was what I was suggesting w/ the compassion comment. That is where the "christ-like" behavior comes in.
My favorite thing about Jesus is that.. he doesn't give a flying F what you think of him. He doesn't feel the need to defend or prove himself. His is kind regardless on if we are complete @ssholes. His compassion and empathy isn't based on anything (good or bad) we could do.
Obviously we can only strive to this. Obviously we will also fail at this. Wee are human with out own baggage. It was just a thought to maybe take a breath and come back from a place of curiosity.
M(f): 40 D'ed: 8/12
Show empathy when there's pain. Show grace when warranted. Kindness in the midst of anger. Faith in the face of fear.
