Clearly a glutton for punishment

[DonH]

Well this is in a nutshell why OLDing doesn’t work. Most men don’t understand women so he thinks he’s doing the right thing by letting you pick the place. He’s excited to meet you so that’s creepy. If he didn’t text enough there is no connection. The avg man can’t win.

Middle age independent women are hard to please. That is why the avg woman responds to 1 out of every 120 messages.

Yep, give it enough time and they eventually come over to my side about OLD. Lol. Ginger is already here although it took her many years but the soul sucking is complete. You’re going to deny it LH to keep you’re pride but I could have written the same thing you just did. You’re correct, most guys can’t win. If he’s just barely trying, he’s a player or avoidant or just looking for a hook up. If he’s really excited and putting in effort he’s creepy. Just one of many reasons OLD doesn’t work for many to most people.

Middle age independent women are hard to please. BINGO although so are some guys but not as much. I was just saying this to someone a few days ago - I can rattle off a whole bunch of women I’ve either dated, thought about dating or asked out but never dated - mostly the first one. They are all to this day single, rarely dating and have not had someone they call their boyfriend in years.

If nothing else Ginger, you’re not alone. I’m sure these women feel the same. I know I often do. Give LH a few more years to where he’s into double digit years like we are and he will agree with us - or will have met a darker haired average built flat chested woman with SPF 30 offline he’s connected with.

Now. Do have to say, in and of itself I don’t see the flags. I’m sure there’s more too it and it’s also the vibe you’re picking up. Offering to pick up a stranger, yeah bad move. Offering a different place or time, call me crazy I see that as being nice and flexible. This too is wrong? Or perhaps it’s also where you’re at and at this point he’s not likeky to do or say anything you’re excited over. Perhaps it’s validation that the coach at least gets some things right - don’t text too much, nothing good can come from it. He’d have been much better off setting the date and shutting up.