And Ginger1 I think you might be missing the point on the Catholic Faith. As a matter of fact every single member of the church is a sinner. At least I sure hope so.

Because otherwise, the faith is complete hogwash. The whole idea is that none of us are perfect enough to make it to heaven. We're not close. That's why we needed a savior. Because we need to be saved. We're all really screwed up.

But hopefully we strive to be better, whatever that might look like for each of us. But along the way, what a mess. And again, ironically, if it weren't for the mess, the whole thing wouldn't make sense. We'd be able to do it on our own.

And the institution is massive man run institution - and therefore flawed, like all of them are.

I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience with it.

But for me - this being my little corner of the world - I'm working through the annulment process because for me its healing and healthy and for me, I would like to have the option to get married again inside the church.

It's wild how upsetting that seems to be to others. Really strange to me.