BF I agree with you that you the greatest teacher is pain. As I said I believe our jobs as vets are to minimize the pain. I also agree that it’s a divorce busting website and everyone is presumably here to save their marriage. Fortunately the advice we give both reduces the pain and gives you the best chance to save your marriage. If you notice not many people here save their marriage because they have a difficult time DBing. Anyways one way or another we all survive.