Originally Posted by Bl42
the concept in general that a guy's direct enthusiasm or over interest can often be counter productive and actually turn the woman off. You'd think one would want someone excited and interested but are more often attracted to those whose interest is vague or veiled.
Interesting. Well, my initial approach to first dates--a flower, plus sunset hike, plus homemade picnic--was very effective in converting first dates into second dates. The board felt showing more interest than I felt was gamey and manipulative, so my journey has been striving to be more genuine. If I recall correctly, you had a single miss with someone finding you over-eager? I'd make small chances and stay BL42--don't let one woman drive you to another gamey approach.

Originally Posted by LH
BL I know your shaking your head saying you can’t compliment their looks, your can’t be over enthusiastic wtf? Lol. You’ll get the hang of it with practice.
This. Accept your first few dates you will make goofs. Accept your 50th date you will make goofs, but fewer of them. Keep learning from your goofs and improving yourself. If someone is your God-ordained soul mate, they'll focus on the positives or give you a second chance. If they're not, no second date is one step closer to the new Ms. BL42. wink