On a slightly more serious note I did want to address this from the last thread.
Originally Posted by SteveLW
However, I think there is a difference between men and women in this regard. We (men) WILL beg, plead, connive, lie, etc. to get a women to sleep with us. Thus the whole "I love you" lie that plenty of guys have floated out there in order to "get some". I am not excusing that. It is sad, pathetic, unethical AND immoral. And I regret to say to say, I've been guilty of those things. (Not the "I love you" lie, I would never do that.)
I don't think it's a matter of women being less conniving as a state of being. I think it's more so if I ask at most points in my life that's all it took to get what I wanted in that regard. I think that's true for most women in heteronormative situations. The bulk of the times I've been rejected has been in the context of a long term relationship. So the infrequency of the rejection alone changes how we'd react. Also the fact that you know we're raised being told we have to gatekeep physical intimacy, because of that most of us understand to not question a no.
For some men in the dating/casual arena it's a numbers game. Eventually you'll hit. Like a slot machine, so keep trying until you win. I think that same kind of thought process follows into long term relationships. And in that space it doesn't work. because there it isn't a numbers game. It's all the reasons you listed prior. Needs needing to be met, romance, connection, etc., not chance.
And LH, Steve acknowledge it but I want to acknowledge it too. I know not all men will lie, manipulate or coerce to get what they want. While it is all too common IMO I've never had that experience with any other romantic partner. Or even casual dalliance.
It sure is a numbers game. Roughly two years of dating approximately 35-40 two short term relationships. One I ended, one ended on me. Patience, patience, patience.
