Originally Posted by Steve
only you know and really know when your done with the BS and the discussing it and the worrying about it.

It's usually obvious within a short time from a person's actions.

Originally Posted by Steve_
get the 2x4's and people give that wonderful advice that they got from a book or whatever that is hard to take but easy to give yada yada I can sit here and do the same until Im blue in the face.

Hi Steve,

It's mostly advice we've lived or seen in other situations. I invite you to read the last 16 days of my situation. Blocked calls, texts, and social media--check. 7 mini-goals I'm taking action towards every day--check.

Our advice will not always be right for you. In another thread a poster heard the advice to do A, B, and C--but explained C (retaking the master bedroom) did not work for him because he wanted a room with a fireplace!

I re-posted May's paragraph of advice a few times. I will stop. As with posts about the harm to your kids, you've avoided the specifics a few times. To be clear, you don't have to make changes or reply. Do consider where your avoidance comes from. Does fear of conflict or not being judged a "good man" prevent you from facing where you may be going wrong and making changes that are actually good for you and your kids?

I'd love to see you succeed, Steve, let us know how we can help you take SMART (specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, timely) steps towards extricating yourself from this situation.