Originally Posted by may22
Hi Tom,

I think working on your #2 goal-- empathy-- might really help you in a lot of ways, and I think stretching your empathy muscles will also have a positive impact on pretty much every other one of your 180s (potentially excepting #5).

Not too long ago, I think, there was a piece in the NYT about how to be more empathetic-- if you missed it, I would google it and see what you think and if any of the suggestions in there are things you would consider trying.

As an empathy exercise, if you're open to it, I might consider reading the threads/situations of those who have posted here that you disagree with. Sit with their stories. Listen to their perspectives. Try on their shoes for a bit, and then go back to what they posted to you and see if it still stings as much, or if you are able to take a different angle, maybe one that allows you to take things less personally. Sometimes practicing empathy on strangers can be easier than those to whom you are closer, because you're less emotionally attached.

Another practice you might find helpful is the loving kindness meditation (google it, and/or available in many meditation apps), which can help strengthen your compassion muscles-- both self-compassion and compassion/connection for others.

And gently... even just in your above response to Ginger, there are a number of places where you could have demonstrated better communication, empathy, vulnerability, respect, and concern. I understand that you're feeling attacked and defensive. But calling people here sanctimonious, blind, ignorant and criticizing them for not reading every word of all of your posts before sharing their thoughts... if you're trying to get people to drop off your thread, you're on the right path. I doubt you'll have many folks left. And I will freely share with you that I am among those offended by some of the things you've said.

I thought what CW suggested a few pages ago was right on-- trying to look yourself for things people might have considered to be sexist or offensive in some way, and taking that as an opportunity to learn and grow, not simply getting defensive and trying to shut everyone down.

I mean, if you don't care that people are offended by some of the things you say, then okay. But if you do care-- and want to actually BE a more empathetic, caring, respectful person with strong communication skills-- then I would -- again, gently-- suggest that you take a step back, try to understand where people are coming from, and where you might make changes such that folks here can see your empathy, respect, and concern for others shining through in your words. Maybe it is just your communication style and skills you need to work on, I don't know. But do you agree that there is something to consider in all of this? Or is everyone here just ignorant, condescending and unhelpful?

Best wishes, May


All wonderful words, May, and thank you for taking the time. Especially for the counsel about empathy. In my 180s I was referring to those I love, having more empathy to be certain. [I really wish one of you would ask me to explore how I'm working on that one with my daughters, for example! ... crickets? ...] More empathy for all of humanity? Well, yes ... I work in a tough industry though and empathy is usually low on in priority in the circles I run in.

While I agree with what you say, I just wish that one of you would offer to me what you are expecting back ... e.g., empathy! Only Steve85 seems to show it.

Question: let's take for granted that empathy is a good quality that everyone should have as much as possible. Situation: an extremely distressed patient goes to see a doctor for a medical condition related to her extremely distressed state. Who should be showing the most empathy at the moment -- the doctor for the distressed patient, or the patient for the doctor? And in this situation, which one am I?

Perhaps you now see my point. Show some empathy, don't call me childish names, don't scream that I hate women, and engage with where my head and heart are trying to go. Read over my posts. Surely you can tell that I am a sensitive man. Passionate, yes. A bit high strung, yes. Never at a loss for words, yes. Frustrated and crestfallen because my wife left me, yes! A short temper when people gang up on me, yes! But I defy you to find a hateful or cruel word I've written. I have been sincere and penitent and more about my failings for the past 3 months that I've been here on DB. That alone is huge movement on my part.