LH... I concur. What you wrote is EXACTLY what happened in my marriage. Exactly. Seems so fixable, doesn’t it? Also the part about not believing in the changes she sees until she believes he doesn’t need her. So true. Of course, by the time that happens, many LBSs have changed so much they now longer want their WAS. That is certainly true in my case. Either way...life does get better. Thanks for sticking around. smile