[quoteBTW, what was the boundary you keep mentioning?[/quote]
In this case it was that she would keep her cloths on online for now. I mentioned that it put me in a state of euphoria that night which I was then disgusted by the next morning.


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Is there some man you highly admire b/c he knows how to command (not demand) respect from others? He doesn't tolerate cr@p behavior......like someone showing him disrespect, lying to him, double crossing him, etc. He doesn't let someone push him around, and he certainly doesn't beg a woman to stay with him or give him a chance to try harder. He doesn't chase women.......he attracts them. Do you know anyone like this man?

Nope can't say I ever have or met someone like that. That I know of.


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The only thing I've seen successfully work in WW cases, is when the H applies tough love.


Ive seen you say this a lot to people but I will admit Im never sure what you mean by it. When I read you stitch you made of a point of saying your husband gave you all the space you needed. and it took a long time for you to stop what you were doing, You considered leaving but ultimately you feared your financial security. At the end of day you stayed in the same home as your husband and children. Maybe I misunderstood it or misread though. But while we would both be worse off my wife doesn't fear her financial stability. She has a place she could go although its not ideal. She has a lot of drive and motivation to make herself happy and better. Grudges also run in a her family. Maybe its just fear maybe I need to man up as you say but I feel pretty certain if I just kicked her out she would just hold a grudge, Id probably lose any chance to reconcile and I would turn what could be amicably divorce into a complete fight through the courts. Especially because she would then be in close contact with her mother all the time whose favorite pastime is making a living on her back at the expense of ex husbands and boyfriends.

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This is her benefiting from the M.

I can understand this but again what advice should I take here.