Originally Posted by oceangrl
What is with these WS's complaining about not feeling close but then doing whatever they can to prevent that from happening? Ugh, same sitch. And it can be crazy-making when you really get along fine but they are planning on D. And I'm not sure how the baby is you calling the shots. Fertility treatments take two willing people.


Ugh, I know!! When he was giving me my litany of faults during the BD, I almost laughed because it's ridiculous that he feels like I didn't want to be close to him yet he had been treating me so poorly/standing me up when we had plans/avoiding me.

His main argument was that I decided when we would have a baby. When we were first married, we lightly discussed having children then but life would get in the way so I keep suggesting we push it back. He never seemed upset about it at the time but now looks back on it as me only being willing to have a baby when I wanted to. He went along with the fertility treatment but complained about it (to which one night I cried to him about feeling torn about it since he was upset about doing it and he kind of just gave me a "Whatever you want to do" answer). To him, it was just another instance of me having too much power over the decisions in our marriage (though that's definitely not how I remember things)

Originally Posted by oceangrl

Do you think there is an OW? So much of this seems like it could fit. But I don't know based on your info.


I do think he's had/having an EA even if he doesn't consider it to be an A. I do not think he's having a PA. He has just been so forthcoming with his reasons to leave me and telling me ILYB/I don't love you that way anymore that I think he would have mentioned a PA as another reason to separate. I could be wrong though!