Thank you all that chimed in. I definitely need to seek out success threads. I still have hope and I know that is important. As for the laundry, it will calm me down anxiety wise to not have a pile of unwashed work clothes in the hamper. This is for me. If he wants laundry done on a different time table, we will deal with that then. I do feel like I am living with a sulky fifteen year old boy. (Don’t mean to offend and 15yo boys) but right now he is sitting in the dark living room on his “bed couch”. I am going to go do fun things with my day. Whatever he is dealing with-be the OW is not going well or the holidays are creeping up, he prefers to be in his “little black hole” I know I can’t do anything-so I do something for me! I will post on some of the other threads after I get a chance to read. This forum is a god-send!