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So I'm all for spending as much time as possible with the kids, but really weird that she's saying all of this. I also can't believe it's so easy for her to not spend the holidays with our kids. That's never happened before .... am I reading too much into this?


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she thought her mom hated her. I don't know why, but they all felt like that at one point or another, and I didn't realize it until now.


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The war between D18 and W continues.


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Then she asked me if I was picking kids up tonight, which is supposed to be "her weekend" with the kids.


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When I got home, W and D15 were in the car, D15 was crying and looked very upset. W got out and I asked her what was going on, and she said "Nothing I have (or want) to discuss with you" and kept walking.


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I can't confront her on that because D15 asked me not to say anything to her mom.


Your children are saying something loud and clear to you and your W's actions are backing it up. Please do everything you can to truly listen to what your children are saying. I didn't truly listen to my daughter until she had thoughts of suicide.


1st BD December 26, 2008
PA admitted to by XW December 29, 2008

2nd BD May 23, 2019
Daughter confirms EA
Divorce Finalized July 18, 2019