Thanks AS, LS. Let's be clear -
  • OM is married
  • I am not pursuing her I am in no contact mode. I am not desperate in her presence or outside it. I just know what I want
  • Her opinion of me is not as low as you seem to assume
  • I am seeking clarification on a number of issues because I don't want to make gross blunders
  • I suspect she may contact me during no contact and I want to respond well

From what I'm hearing the following principles always apply:
  • She's got to think she's lost me before she'll want me
  • It'll take too long to be worth it
  • My situation is as bad as everybody else's
  • shortcuts like grand gestures are always a bad idea
  • All optimism is misplaced


I will not wait for ever for her to return but I don't have the need to seek other options for the moment. I still see some hope that she will be back because I offer a good chance of happiness for both of us. In our long time together we have not lost all attraction. Recently( after I cut the booze ) we have communicated better than ever. She decided to Pursue OM before I cut the booze. That is why I still harbour some hope.


Now divorced, boys grown up. Now in new failed relationship( never again, please )