Steve85, I just love your assertive anti-NG scenarios. I took your advice on my thread about sleeping separately on vacay. I even used your words too. I've never been so strong like that before in my life, let alone with W. OMG she was like a dog chasing her tail. Once she calmed down she hasn't confronted me with any R talk since. I've been reading a few of your advices on this and what I like is that it's not only overly strong and even shocking, but the reasoning is just spot on. Shock and awe.