Moving on to the bright side Part 25

[Dawn70]

Outside of the boobs and botox everything came after her D so I assume that had something to do with it.

Also I would never expect, need or request anyone to do anything to their body. My XW had very small boobs and would never asked her or even wanted her to get a boob job even though she did after our D. I never once looked at her and said oh I was you did this or did that. I loved her for who she was and while she was tiny she was still not perfect.

I don't expect perfection, I am not perfect but I do expect and I am attracted to women that make an effort.

You keep saying that you think her D had a lot to do with all of this, and you obviously know the woman and I don't, but I don't think that is it. Just based on what you are saying, she has some serious self-conscious issues and while D certainly didn't help it, there has to be some more serious underlying cause. There is a difference between what someone (maybe even you, yourself) pointed out in an earlier post about men going to the gym and getting fit after D and a woman having all of these drastic cosmetic procedures after hers. I had the same thought that someone else posted that if she has not even given birth to a kid, why have the tightening thing done. I'm not judging her, mind you. If she chooses to do it and she can afford it, which she clearly can, more power to her. I just don't get it because I'm not that person. Heck, I don't even wear make up. I own make up, but I can't even tell you the last time I had any on. The last time I remember having any on was about 5 years ago. And, I wouldn't get botox even if it would cure migraines because needles, man. LOL (I would be a horrible IV drug user!)

I find it interesting that you end with you are attracted to women who make an effort. I guess we see "effort" differently because all the stuff she's doing seems more like overkill than effort. I would imagine she's an attractive woman in her own right, even without all the extras, or I don't think you would be with her anyway. It goes back to what I said at first...I don't know her and you do, so it is super easy for me to armchair quarterback it, but it just sounds like she has some serious self-esteem issues, which oddly, seems to be common with highly successful and attractive women. That must be why God made me ugly. If I was smart AND beautiful, I couldn't handle it and no one could handle me. LOLOLOL

I very much appreciate the thought you are putting into your responses to her. You seem to genuinely care about meeting her where she is, if that makes sense. You obviously like her and want to communicate effectively with her and that is a wonderful thing.