Marc the lies, or the withholding of EA/PA thing I get through all of our sich's. Of course they're going to lie, because of Shame, embarrassment, and advantage. Don't have to like it and I recognize what it is and why it is. The thing I still can't figure out to this day is why do they Harbor so much resentment instead of addressing it and communicating appropriately and attempting to resolve it? So many spouses here claim that they have tried and tried and tried and went through years of trying and disappointment and hurt. That what we are just starting to feel is what they were feeling for years and I get that, but maybe just maybe if they didn't Harbor up all that resentment their hearts with them wouldn't have turned cold, just maybe if they addressed it properly and actually told us the consequences and gave us alternate history and honesty it would have got nipped in the bud much sooner and never would have gotten to this. But a lot of them expect us to just get this. Men and women are two different species and then you have personality differences that has all kinds of different thinking patterns thoughts and feelings and values. Communication authenticity honesty expectations and working on for filling them is a real problem today in relationships between men and women. Most of us aren't even aware of all these precedes hurts until it's too little too late. We need to nip these things to the bud and learn from our experiences on here, if there ever will be rebuilding of trust