Originally Posted by P_Jam

I have to admit that; Another Stander's comments "this is only another R talk" makes a little sense. But is there really NO benefit in having one to clarify my position? It is a R talk, but it is not pursuing. I don't see how it would set me back in anyway. But please continue to educate me.


Personally I don't think there's anything to be gained because she has a wayward mindset right now. She doesn't want to work with you on the M, she wants out. This isn't the time to negotiate or lay down rules. At some point she may hit rock bottom and decide she wants to come back. If she gets there, she will be humble, apologetic, and open to working with you for real. Until that happens there's just no point in discussing it because she's inside the castle with the drawbridge pulled up.

In my previous post I called her a "lying cheater". I don't do that to disparage her, I do it to drive home the point of who she is -right now-. She may have been a wonderful person before, and she may be again in the future. But right now she's engaging in immoral behavior and spinning it in her head to be all your fault. As long as she's in the wayward "lying cheater" mode there is just no reasoning or negotiating with her.


Me: 60 w/ S18, D24, D27

M: 21 years; BD: 06-14-12; S: 09-10-12; D final: 03-17-14; XW:57