I emerge. I rise. I AM Phoenix9. (Phoenix9 DB XII)

[DonH]

[quote=Phoenix9]I feel like I'm coming on too strong if I go the phone route. But, I'm going to do it anyway. Only way to continue to take chances and be ballsy.[quote]

phoenix FWIW I think you are waaaaaaaaay overthinking things. Making a telephone call is coming on too strong? Or it's being ballsy? How so? The act of making the call most certainly is not, it's what you say, how you say it etc. you seem so busy trying to follow these play books that you are losing yourself. You simply need to relax and be you. Call, low key, hey I'm thinking of going such and such place on Friday, do you want to go along? If not, then not. If she's interested she will suggest an alternate or say something like "I really wish I could go, keep me in mind for next time." Now how you handle this could become too strong but not simply calling and asking.

As others have said you just need more practice. You've got to take this info you've been reading and turn it into being yourself. You can't follow a playbook step by step. These are cockpits that you have to make your own. You seemed to have done that in the moment when you first met her. You were yourself. But then you started over thinking things. Stop that. Just be you. It's not the end of the world if she says no. You e got to start living with that confidence.