Hopefully we come out of it more alive than we were before we went in it. That’s my hope anyway. Things really s*ck right now, no doubt, but I have to believe that if we do the work, we will be way better people... much better than our WAS who are definitely NOT doing the work. Interesting that your H did this to his first wife and waited her out as well. My H also did this to his first wife. My MIL told me that she (his first wife) had absolutely NO idea that anything was wrong until he told her he wanted a divorce. She was apparently beyond devastated. All of their contact after that was through lawyers and they met once a year later for a conversation in order to have “closure” that my H said was “rough”. While he was looking for an exit, she was apparently talking about having kids. He told me that he realized he needed to go because he didn’t want to have kids with her. I feel like she dodged a HUGE bullet and I stepped right in its path. Oh...and when I mentioned the similarities between the two sitches (i.e. bomb and run), my H got quite defensive saying it was a “completely different” situation. Hmm...me thinks he doth protest too much. smile