Hey Maika (Joseph), good to see you guys still here, updating and moving on with your lives (with children, particularly younger, it can be difficult to detach as encouraged here). I'm curious if you guys and other vets (Sandi, AS, Chris73) feel as though the real contrition and humility that a WW must demonstrate before R also applies to a WAW? Or is that expectation of a WAW not necessary. I can't recall each of your sitches, or even if your exes are with new OM's now (if not right a BD) but my ex was for sure a WAW and although she has had at least one quasi-serious relationship in the 2.5 years since BD (April 2016), didn't work out though, nobody has been introduced to the kids, (they would have said something), which I find odd...that she hasn't yet fully moved on with another serious relationship. She is quite attractive and has a good career but also very busy with work and mother of three children under the age of 10. Meanwhile, she has been hot and cold with me, kinda all over the place really, currently cold for the past couple months (after about 4 or 5 months of daily contact/some family things together) so I'm back to NC for my own well being.