Day 160 (end),

It was a good day overall. I think due to a good combination of meds and progress on detaching. I can confidently say that I am making progress because I did not talk to WW all day today. No texts from her, nothing. And I was not worked up over it.

She finally called in the evening to check on D4. After D4 talked to her, WW tried to converse to me. I kept it short about D4. She started to tell me how she is going to have to go back to work soon. I basically said "Ok. Bye". She was taken aback and asked if I was ok. I said "yes, everything is good!", she tried to continue to talk about her vacation some more and I basically ended the conversation again ("Ok...have fun!"). She sighed in irritation and asked to put D4 on the phone. D4 talked to WW and that was the end of the call. I'm sensing some more temp checks soon. A lot more.

I am looking through the 3rd quotes thread and I saw the following link:

"Puppy's Short Version, All-In...ylayed Spouses Who Just Got Bombed"

I am going the 2b route because we are both so far in this sitch that there really is no 2a option right now. 2a will likely be used if we R.

A very interesting post (link here) that discusses how the LBS spouse sometimes interprets the S waywardness as an MLC.

Key quotes:

Originally Posted by gucci loafer


Be careful with people who are diagnosing things as MLC by listening to a BS on an anonymous site. Not only could they be very very WRONG in their diagnosis, but in their advice EVEN if it is "MLC".. a term that is very loosely used. A term that is one that gives false hope to a person who doesn't want to face the other more correct diagnosis... which is.. the WS left them because their feelings changed and they found someone else and are having an affair...
By saying your wayward is in MLC gives you hope.


I did notice that early on in our sitch, WW was going out A LOT (dancing, etc.) while doing the "casual" dating thing. I also heard some stuff from her that should have given me more warning (talking about our 7 year itch in our M, her basically going out to party a lot more, etc.) So I have come to terms that WW is in an outright affair. Maybe or not MLC.

Originally Posted by gucci loafer

That should be your key to be careful on using that as a crutch because you don't want to come to terms with what may be the real reality..... From my observations on this site it could almost be said that every single WS must be in MLC.

So, be prepared to hear that it may take years and years of pain and misery and waiting.. and even THEN your chances aren't any better than they are if you just let go now and chalk it up to an affair.


I'm happy that I'm DBing as if WW is in an affair and NOT in an MLC. I was surprised to hear that MLC is used as a crutch and an excuse for their wayward's behavior.

At this point in my sitch, does it matter if WW is MLC triggered or not? I did not think there was a difference.


1/6/18-BD OM1
2/18-W meets OM2
4/18-W intros D4 to OM2
5/18-“Romance ends"
7/18-DB start
7/18-IHS Ends
4/19-WW moves out
3/21-D filed

Formerly pain18

Rise.