Originally Posted by burned
Originally Posted by Yail
I feel like once I read something from Steve85 that said he did intentionally make a point known to his W that her request for D would not be so simple.
Steve knows what he's doing, so it's worth considering. I don't know that you have the same relationship with your W as he has with his, though. So it could backfire.

I guess I feel W needs to see I won't roll over and play dead. I'm not looking to actively stand in her way, and I respect her decisions, but I WILL stand up for myself. This is something that was lost in myself the past few years. It's a bit of a 180. It does represent who I was when W and I first met. I have become someone with NGS, and it's not "me". So in a way, it doesn't matter my relationship with W. It ultimately is for me to stand tall and just say a calm, "no". Re-learning how to do this with someone is hard when you have come into bad habits in your relationship.

Originally Posted by burned
Originally Posted by Yail
I'm so convinced that this MLC will pass and she will wake up and think "WTF did I do, I tried to run away from my problems".
AnotherStander says that many if not most of them DO get to that point as some point. Just be careful with the MLC approach, I don't think that's what you're dealing with. Stick with the WW wisdom.


I'm not sure that DB changes for MLC vs WW? I believe to have a MLC that turned into WW, which is not uncommon. An A during MLC happens most of the time from what I understand. Both my mom and I (who was close friend with W) both saw W's depression deepen over the past two years. I do think it was the early stages of MLC, and it was her friends death that "triggered" the Replay stage. But just from my guessing - I know focusing on the stages doesn't really do anything. It only helps me in knowing that I am not 100% to blame here.