LH, That's the problem I don't know what this is? She has made it clear she wants a separation so i would say this is not a trial. But that's where all my confusion comes in because she doesn't seem to have any real direction either way and all the wayward spouse stuff comes into play. I get all the "I love you but I'm not in love with you" , the "I really hope we can be best friends" then comes the "I don't feel that way about you and we will never work" and the "I need space away from you". I have offered she take all the space she needs, that if she wants to live on her own that I won't stop her. I have advised her that she needs to do what she feels is right and I won't do anything to stop that. But then she refuses, says she's not going anywhere, says she's not leaving the kids. I then clarify that I am not saying anything about leaving the kids that I am saying if she wants out of our marriage then she is free to go. I really don't think she knows what she wants.