I think I mentioned it before, but we did go through a rough patch in our marriage in 2009. I knew things weren't going well because we argued a lot. My W wanted a divorce. At that time I did everything wrong. I begged and pleaded for a few days, and she changed her mind. Our marriage went well for several years. We had a second daughter. I'd say the connectedness has waned off and on for the last 4-5 years. The spark died. Our sex life was good, but date nights and vacations without the kids were extremely rare. I didn't surprise my W--like I did in our early years. It was all about the kids. I have regrets for letting that happen. I fully believe the man either makes a marriage work or not. My M failed. I take the blame. I've forgiven myself though. It's not always easy. That's why there are so many people on this forum and so many people getting divorced. My second W is going to get a hell of a husband though. smile