hardog and CeMar, My W qualifies as ND by every measure known to HD kind but I do believe she is changing. I could feel a distinct flicker of desire from her. My initiation was entirely playful and I knew it wouldn't progress because it was a little early and D16 was not in bed and she always calls in for a chat. W actually cut the chat short with D16 and after she had gone W was quite obviously still up for it. I have been reliving the events in my mind today and I'm quite elated. Don't give up hope you guys, anything is possible. SD
