Quote AD: "It's having good results with everyone who can understand it." And therein lies the problem... I have discovered one thing. If where one sits at the dinner table is an indication then mine is not a well differentiated family. In well differentiated families people just sit anywhere at the table. I tried moving people around by changing the positions of their plates - we each have a different color plate . The children made a comment about it but sat down in their new places but when W came in there was he!! to pay! Needless to say there was some musical chairs and we were back to normal again, each in their own seat with their own colored plate. SD - Still got a long way to go.